Published on September 8th,2009 at 1:25 PM
By >Daimaou - G.G-B

Japan Apple Loan Box of Mysteries…

First of all, and before going any further, I’d like everyone to read this and keep their troll personality in its box… This article isn’t solid proof, but rather a simple narrative of what happened to us over the past few weeks with Apple Japan and Oricon, the company hired by Apple in Japan for their Apple Loans.

Two weeks ago, and prior to the launch of Apple’s new Snow Leopard OS (not Exchange compatible, unless you use the latest version of Exchange (we are running 2003))… I decided to treat myself to a new MacBook Pro and its new and improved readable 15” antiglare screen. This isn’t the first time I bought a Mac through Apple’s online store, I like my Notebooks to be installed with a QWERTY US keyboard rather than a 106/109 Japanese one, so with confidence I dived into Apple Store Japan’s webpage to order my MacBook Pro.

While surfing Apple Store Japan’s pages, I stumble upon a very attractive ad announcing a special offer on Apple Loans starting at 1% up to 3% instead of the usual 9.5%… Surprised and having the money to pay my 270,000 Yen (A bit more than €2000 or $2900), I figured what the hell, having an 1% or 3% interest loan isn’t bad, and asked my assistant to proceed with my order…

Everything went smoothly, at least if you know how to handle a 10 year old style Japanese online loan company with all its input tricks… And after five minutes everything was sent to the company, banking details and so on… So far so good, and painless…

A couple of days after sending my information and without receiving any news from Oricon, the company hired by Apple for the Apple Loan, I asked my assistant to give them a call and check if everything was okay… Then things began to come apart… First they wanted to check some facts with me, in Japanese, and I’m sorry but my Japanese skill is too low to fully understand their technical questions… My assistant then took the phone and was told that not being able to understand completely what they were asking me would be troublesome… They had to check back with their manager. Ten minutes later the manager called back and talked with my assistant who gave him all the necessary information, and voila…

Another ten minutes later, another call from Apple telling me that I was rejected without providing any details. After giving them a lot personal information it would have been polite of them to explain why.

Fair enough, my assistant and I determined it was my lack of Japanese language skill and after all, I’m in Japan and should be treated like a Japanese… No big problem… We then contacted the Apple store to check if my wife (Japanese, earning four times as much as me, the owner of our house and chairman of a 300+ company) could apply instead and reordered. The nice Apple staff said it wouldn’t be a problem and began the process again… I’ll make this short, her loan was ALSO refused for no reason…

The same day as my wife’s loan refusal, at 6 PM, I received a call at my office concerning my refusal (the first one) but if I was still be interested I could get a 7.5% loan (to avoid any problems I won’t disclose the name of the company who called)… Surprised, my CFO and partner (Japanese) called the first loan company back and asked why I was contacted by a second company for the same loan… Why was information regarding a specific loan given to another company without my authorization???. Another interesting move from Oricon was to advise us to repeat the procedure several time until the we could, either myself or my wife (or others) be approved.

We gave Apple a call and our PR contact, who first assured us that since Apple is US company there’s no discrimination when it comes to Japanese language skill, but also stated they have no control over the loan process and that they rely at 100% on the loan company they hired.

Here it is… I didn’t buy a new MacBook Pro. Pity for Apple, I’ll wait until mine dies naturally… But this story and the rejection of six people for no reason, the company involved in the loan response, being advised to try several times and a second company proposing another loan at 7.5% raise many questions about how things operate here in Japan with Apple and Apple Loan… Granted Apple has no power over the loan process but Apple Japan is ultimately the company that hired loan company, and in this case Apple is in my eyes responsible… It’s easy to offer an attractive loan and then reject people who apply for it without giving any reasons.

Is this story over? No, not really. We are thinking of taking this further with an appropriate consumer organization and the Japanese government… After all, being rejected isn’t the problem, it’s the lack of a reason WHY (if no ones explains WHY you were rejected, how can you fix the problem and get another loan?), and the other offers some of us were given…

As far as I’m concerned, I now look at Apple very differently.

Via Orico
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Comments
 

  • Brendan

    I don’t find the fact that you weren’t approved disturbing but the fact that they gave your information without your consent to another company. That seems like a bit of a trust violation.

  • http://www.akihabaranews.com Daimaou

    As I said, not being approved is not really the problem, the problem is that the company will not explain why… Then advise you to try in a few days until you succeed, and later you are contacted by another company for a Loan…

    Once again not being approved is here not the problem…

  • http://www.akihabaranews.com Daimaou

    And the fact that 6 persons (different people, different product) had to face the same problem is worrying… Sound to me that this 1 or 3% loan is just an Ads to offer you something else

  • BoeserMann

    Thanks again. Very very interesting indeed.
    I just can repeat my former statement. Consumer organizations are not powerful enough here. Companies/banks just give a s**t if someone complains.

  • http://mackenchi.blogspot.com/ G. Curt Fiedler

    Well, it’s not Apple – it’s their loan company. You should bring this to Apple’s attention. I’m sure they will address the issue. This is very, very seedy and they won’t want the bad PR.

  • Hooner

    I seriously doubt that the reason for your rejection was related to language skill or some form of racial discrimination. Instead, I think that this company was most likely offering these low-rate loans for the purpose of farming personal information that they could then sell to 3rd parties.

  • http://www.akihabaranews.com Daimaou

    G. Curt Fiedler> We contacted Apple PR staff before publishing this article, and despite the fact that this is an Apple Loan they do not have any powers over the process… So why call it an Apple Loan then ?

  • MJz

    Great reporting. I’m looking forward to the next part of this story. It seems like an explination of why you were rejected is in order. I always get such explinations when I get rejected. But maybe the laws in Japan don’t require disclosing that information.

  • Genshin

    This is certainly not the kind of thing Apple would allow to go on for long. I’m sure Apple will rsolve this to avoid tarnishing their good reputation.

    May I ask for permission to post this on Australian MacWorld?

  • http://www.akihabaranews.com Daimaou

    Genshin> Please go ahead

  • Genshin

    Thank you kindly for your permission to repost this article on Australian MacWorld.

    Regards
    Genshin

  • Genshin

    A link to the reposted article on Australian MacWorld.

    http://www.macworld.com.au/forums/index.php?showtopic=5274

    Thank you once again.

    Regards
    Genshin

  • DP

    I also received a rejection for a “amortized” iphone loan at softbank. Rejection with no reason. Me wife (Japanese) was then rejected with no reason given. I was later invited to purchase the phone outright (surprise) which I did. Being an American in Japan, the iphone and it’s all english support is very useful, so in many ways it was the only option for me.

    Japanese “loan” companies are borderline rackets and the legit companies that use their services are fully aware of their “business” practices. After my experience with my iphone, issues with my MBP battery, and a weird imac screen I will *never* buy another over-priced, under-supported Apple product again.

  • http://cutkillavince.com/ Cutkillavince

    Interesting story Dai

  • derrick

    The same thing happened to me!! But I was told they could not give me a loan because my Japanese speaking skills are not good enough. I could tell the lady who took my call was stress out because I asked her to repeat some of her questions. At the end she told me “your Japanese skills are not good enough, this will create problems for us if we need to contact you regarding late payments or any other problems”. My jaw just drop to the ground.

  • LoanPig

    It’s called bait and switch – a form of fraud.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait_and_switch

  • Gar

    Truly interesting. Here in the US a couple years ago I wanted a macbook and the Apple Loan ad appeared attractive. I originally thought it would be a financing option handled strictly by Apple – they don’t mention that it would be handled by 3rd party. Anyway, I applied for the Apple Loan, but did not purchase the product. Seems that a week later I would get mail from Juniper credit card company and it seemed they were the ones handling the Apple Loan financing options. It’s too bad really. I would’ve preferred if Apple handled their own financing plans, rather than having it be done by some unknown bank/creditor.

    I have a MBP now, and I’m not sure how US Apple Loans function nowadays…

  • scammer

    A bait and switch scam. Report the company to the appropriate consumer watchdog.

  • fh

    Moral: always pay up front.

    It’s just like buying a new car: the moment you drive off the lot, it’s lost a sizeable chunk of its value. Better to pay off that premium up front if you can so that you don’t have to think about it later, otherwise you’ll be stuck with monthly repayments you can’t avoid even though you know better models are coming out all the time.

  • http://www.ggtech.co.nr KuyaChe

    simple reason is
    some japanese people are just stubborn enough against any foreigner, be it a husband or wife of a natural japanese citizen.
    who could blame them for feeling that way if their country is bombed twice.
    that is why they told you to try again, you may have luck and get a better thinking japanese loan representative and get on with the process painlessly.

    but seriously, if you only made your wife apply for the loan in the first place, i bet there wouldn’t be any problem. it not about the job title or money, its just about the nationality.
    and not all of the japanese people are like that, only few narrow minded ones. which of course also applies to any other country. except maybe for the philippines where we treat foreigners as honored guests (just like kings and celebrities).

    cash is also a great way in buying stuff, you can get it cheaper and hassle free.

    peace man and good luck on buying another mac!

 

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